Comments on Pay for Performance and Cronyism
Topic: Cronyism, Pay for Performance07. October 2005 |
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Re: Best Places to Work and Performance-Based Pay
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Anonymous
at 07:55PM (EDT) on Oct 6, 2005 |
Anonymous
at 07:55PM (EDT) on Oct 6, 2005 |
The same is true in TSA. In fact much worst.
Instead of having one agency where there are 429 plus airports running
there on programs, promotion, awards, and pay raises. It who you know
then what you know. Take note with Logan airprot. Just a tip of the
problem. The pay for performance is a program for those who are yes
people and not for those that care or challege the system.
Instead of having one agency where there are 429 plus airports running
there on programs, promotion, awards, and pay raises. It who you know
then what you know. Take note with Logan airprot. Just a tip of the
problem. The pay for performance is a program for those who are yes
people and not for those that care or challege the system.
Re: Best Places to Work and Performance-Based Pay
The same is true at GSA, and for that matter,
probably every other workplace in America, public and private. You
don't have to look any further than the newest Supreme Court nominee.
Friends reward friends whether they are qualified or not.
probably every other workplace in America, public and private. You
don't have to look any further than the newest Supreme Court nominee.
Friends reward friends whether they are qualified or not.
Re: Best Places to Work and Performance-Based Pay
As a USG employee for the past twenty-eight
years I do not see where the proposed system would improve anything
from an employee standpoint. I actually see it more as another tired
attempt at making “Government work like Business” when that is like
comparing apples and oranges. The two institutions have entirely
different reasons to be, and as such SHOULD have different guidelines
as to want can be described as “success”. Meeting some short-term
bottom line cannot be the primary focus of “Government” which should be
looking long-term and at things which help the society as a whole …
years I do not see where the proposed system would improve anything
from an employee standpoint. I actually see it more as another tired
attempt at making “Government work like Business” when that is like
comparing apples and oranges. The two institutions have entirely
different reasons to be, and as such SHOULD have different guidelines
as to want can be described as “success”. Meeting some short-term
bottom line cannot be the primary focus of “Government” which should be
looking long-term and at things which help the society as a whole …
Re: Best Places to Work and Performance-Based Pay
It's much the same working for the Marines
Corps if not worse. I call it the “Employment for Life” program. Most
of these Marines coming up on their retirement are hired into GS and WL
positions immediately after retirement. Senior Goverment Employees with
more time, experiance and education are routinely passed over for
promotion in favor of some retired or ex Marine. The Marines have to be
the worst when it come to Employment discrimination. Active duty
Marines (O-3 and below) routinely sit on selection boards for civillian
positions, they have even gone as far as opening Promotion
Announcements for 3 days in the middle of a Holiday Weekend to
ensure no one but their “guy” was able to apply !! It happens all the
time here.
Corps if not worse. I call it the “Employment for Life” program. Most
of these Marines coming up on their retirement are hired into GS and WL
positions immediately after retirement. Senior Goverment Employees with
more time, experiance and education are routinely passed over for
promotion in favor of some retired or ex Marine. The Marines have to be
the worst when it come to Employment discrimination. Active duty
Marines (O-3 and below) routinely sit on selection boards for civillian
positions, they have even gone as far as opening Promotion
Announcements for 3 days in the middle of a Holiday Weekend to
ensure no one but their “guy” was able to apply !! It happens all the
time here.
-PO'ed @ Pendleton
Re: Best Places to Work and Performance-Based Pay
Agreed. The problem with the system is the
inability to quickly hire the right people with the right skills in a
timely manner. This responsibility rests with the personnel system and
not managers. There has always been a system in place to get rid of the
“dead wood”, but it required management to document performance rather
then arbitrarily relieve people of their duties. I see no change in the
new personnel system in solving the hiring/firing issue but rather
giving overworked managers more responsibility and authority to hire
their buddies rather then the qualified individuals. Linking
performance to pay could be dangerous at least if not critical when
managers cannot get the simple rule of “document the file” system down.
inability to quickly hire the right people with the right skills in a
timely manner. This responsibility rests with the personnel system and
not managers. There has always been a system in place to get rid of the
“dead wood”, but it required management to document performance rather
then arbitrarily relieve people of their duties. I see no change in the
new personnel system in solving the hiring/firing issue but rather
giving overworked managers more responsibility and authority to hire
their buddies rather then the qualified individuals. Linking
performance to pay could be dangerous at least if not critical when
managers cannot get the simple rule of “document the file” system down.
Re: Best Places to Work and Performance-Based Pay
You want to talk about how paybanding doesn't
work then you should take a look at the IRS. The IRS has imposed this
ridiculous system on all it's it's managers. Imagine that, start with
mangers who have no NTEU or AFGE to fight this awful program. Then you
know what happens - the only ones getting raises are those with friends
as their managers! The rest get left out in the cold - too bad so sad.
Whne you have 10 employees who deserve a raise but you're told that you
can only give it to 5 who do you think gets the raise? The suck-up,
“friend” of the manager or the one who comes in every day and simply
does their job to the best of their ability? Everyone knows the answer.
Paybanding doesn't work, period! Too much power to incompetent
managers. At least the GS system allowed us to get the raises without
the crony-ism!
work then you should take a look at the IRS. The IRS has imposed this
ridiculous system on all it's it's managers. Imagine that, start with
mangers who have no NTEU or AFGE to fight this awful program. Then you
know what happens - the only ones getting raises are those with friends
as their managers! The rest get left out in the cold - too bad so sad.
Whne you have 10 employees who deserve a raise but you're told that you
can only give it to 5 who do you think gets the raise? The suck-up,
“friend” of the manager or the one who comes in every day and simply
does their job to the best of their ability? Everyone knows the answer.
Paybanding doesn't work, period! Too much power to incompetent
managers. At least the GS system allowed us to get the raises without
the crony-ism!
Stop paybanding now!
Re: Re: Best Places to Work and Performance-Based Pay
As an IRS senior manager in a payband - I have
to agree with my former blogger. Pay for performance sounds good on the
surface. But when its tied to budget - and points are distributed to
agency executives who can't exceed their point allocation - you will
find executives who won't reward for performance if it means using a
point and getting nothing in return. As an example - a senior manager
in level 1 or 2 of the payband only needs 2 “met” performances to move
up the band in pay. Why waste points/money rewarding that person when
you may have a senior manager at level 3 or 4 who needs at least 1
“exceeds” in a two-year period to move up the band. How is this fair?
It becomes a trade-off. How can any system be fair when management is
ordered to limit its' “exceeds” or “outstandings” or told “you can only
pick one of your two great performers to acknowledge this year”. This
is always a sad time of year for me and my employees.
to agree with my former blogger. Pay for performance sounds good on the
surface. But when its tied to budget - and points are distributed to
agency executives who can't exceed their point allocation - you will
find executives who won't reward for performance if it means using a
point and getting nothing in return. As an example - a senior manager
in level 1 or 2 of the payband only needs 2 “met” performances to move
up the band in pay. Why waste points/money rewarding that person when
you may have a senior manager at level 3 or 4 who needs at least 1
“exceeds” in a two-year period to move up the band. How is this fair?
It becomes a trade-off. How can any system be fair when management is
ordered to limit its' “exceeds” or “outstandings” or told “you can only
pick one of your two great performers to acknowledge this year”. This
is always a sad time of year for me and my employees.
Re: Best Places to Work and Performance-Based Pay
Being a Fed is like running an umbrella sales
kiosk outside a Metro station. People appreciate your service when its
raining. The rest of the time they just ignore you. And speaking of
raining, why all the desparate news conferences and media releases on
bad news from the Federal government this week? CDC says bird flu will
kill millions and calls on the military to be ready to quarantine
entire cities–think Duston Hoffman in the movie Outbreak. Interior
Department says Gulf oil supply to be out of commission for months. FBI
warns New Yorkers that there is a specific terror threat against the
subway system. Is someone trying to get other bad news off the front
pages?
kiosk outside a Metro station. People appreciate your service when its
raining. The rest of the time they just ignore you. And speaking of
raining, why all the desparate news conferences and media releases on
bad news from the Federal government this week? CDC says bird flu will
kill millions and calls on the military to be ready to quarantine
entire cities–think Duston Hoffman in the movie Outbreak. Interior
Department says Gulf oil supply to be out of commission for months. FBI
warns New Yorkers that there is a specific terror threat against the
subway system. Is someone trying to get other bad news off the front
pages?
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